Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:51 am Post subject: Double Dare Ya
Here are the lyrics of "Double Dare Ya" by Bikini Kill:
We're Bikini Kill and we want revolution
Girl-style now!!!
Hey girlfriend
I got a proposition goes something like this:
Dare ya to do what you want
Dare ya to be who you will
Dare ya to cry right outloud
"You get so emotional baby"
Double dare ya, double dare ya, double dare ya
Girl fuckin friend yeah
Double dare ya
Double dare ya
Double dare ya
Girl
Don't you talk out of line
Don't go speaking out of your turn
Gotta listen to what the Man says
Time to make his stomach burn
Burn, burn, burn, burn
Double dare ya, double dare ya, double dare ya
Girl fuckin friend yeah
Double dare ya, double dare ya, double dare ya
Girl
You're a big girl now
You've got no reason not to fight
You've got to know what they are
Fore you can stand up for your rights
Rights, rights?
You DO have rights
Double dare ya, double dare ya
Double dare triple fuckin dare ya girlfriend
Double dare ya, double dare ya, double dare ya
Girl
I had a hard time understanding what they were saying on youtube, so these might help anyone who was in the same boat as me.
though this song assaulted my ears, with its hanus style, I thought that the idea behind it was good and interesting. I had never heard about the punk womens movement in the slightest. I thought that it could be pretty effective, but here is what one doofus on youtube wrote, "Lithium 101.. thats cool.. im not hating... i just hope this song doesn't make you feel mooree powerful about feminism.. like say for instance you were going to vote for a political candidate because you agreed with their policies.. i would hope that if you heard a song promoting that president's ideas it wouldn't make you like it more... just stick with your own reasoning.. i know music can be powerful.. but its dangerous if you let it influence your beliefs.." I think this exemplifies, maybe without the writer even knowing it a clear worry or belief. I assume the one who wrote this was a man, and it is overall just a dick thing to say, clearly trying to put someone else down and assert that he is smarter.
The reading looked at the exact same bands and movements, one aspect I found really interesting was when the author was saying that some women found the movement to be a white womens movement. The author quotes Lauren on p 122 saying, "Your white upper-middle class girl mentality? What would you say if I wanted to kill that mentality too?" I think this brings us to the same place women movements and movements in general findthemselves. They are excluding others! I do no know if it is simply the fact that people cant help it, or that they dont notice it, but the same things occur again and again. why is it!?!?!
The song was interesting to hear and i agree with liza with that it was hard to understand. personally, i like when people express what they mean by music because it sends out a message of what the artist is trying to convey and i think you can hear that message in this song.
They are trying to tell you to do your own things like the RIOT cheer which is telling you to get your head out of fashion magazines because you're better than that and you should be fighting against it.
I also really liked the "We're Queerleaders" because I hear the original version of that all the time in my dorm which is
"I'm sexy, I'm cute! I'm popular to boot!
I'm bitchin', great hair! The boys all love to stare!
I'm wanted, I'm hot! I'm everything your not!
I'm pretty, I'm cool! I dominate this school!
Who am I? Just guess! Guys wanna touch my chest!
I'm rockin'! I smile! And many think I'm vile.
I'm flyin', I jump! You can look but don't you hump! Whoo!
I'm major, I roar! I swear I'm not a whore!
We cheer and we lead! We act like we're on speed!
Don't hate ate us cause we're beautiful well we don't like u either!
We're cheerleaders! We are cheerleaders! ROLL CALL!"
and it very different and this version kind of like belittles women in a way because it describes the typical female you see in magazines.
hey cool cats. so i'm guessing this is the forum for tonight? alright cool.
to answer zach's question: i have no idea. i've noticed it too, and it drives me absolutely crazy! why can't people realize that the only way they'll get everything they want done. like sesame street use to tell me when i was a kid "two heads are better than one". the reason i think though that this happens is because there are many people out there who hold strong to their opinions and if they don't like one thing of some organization they won't join. that's why there are tons of different groups that are fighting for basically the same thing, but they all different only slightly.
in the reading they discussed "girlie feminists" as being feminists who were sexy (like the spice girls). i don't know about anyone else but i'm pretty sure only a few of the spice girls songs were about girl power the others were about sex and love. i didn't really think the spice girls were considered feminists... does anyone think they are feminists? and if so why? i'm curious to learn other peoples point of view.
see you tomorrow noodles! (sorry for the lack of capitalization)
Just like mammalton and Emily were saying, I have also noticed the theme of exclusion throughout all the waves. It is so aggravating to read about white women excluding black women, rich women excluding poor women, straight excluding gay, again and again and again. History repeats itself, but the whole point is to LEARN from history and past mistakes.
But, although women in the third wave still excluded other women, like Riot Grrrl focusing mainly on white women’s issues, Dicker does say something about how third wavers began to try and re-define feminism to include everyone. On page 127 it says “Unlike the second wave, which often ignored the ways women’s oppressions differed depending on their race, ethnicity, economic status, and sexual orientation, the third wave is concerned with how the interlocking nature of identity helps define the causes that matter to women. For third wavers, it is not enough to think about “women” as a broad category: to do so would be to repeat the second wave’s exclusive focus on white, middle-class, heterosexual women.” So what I think this is saying is that the third wavers realized that they needed to think about feminism in relation to each individuals experience rather than the collective experience, and even though this meant they weren’t “united” under the exact same experiences, it ultimately brought women closer together because they could all associate with feminism. FINALLY yayyy.
Question: Dicker says “Yet, the chronological age of third wavers is less important than the fact that they grew up in a world already changed by second wave feminism.” (123). What do you think the significance of this was?
Great job at the conference today everyone I think the teachers were very impressed by us. Anyways, on to the reading/song!
I think that one thing that becomes apparent in this section of the book is how much feminism changes each time a new wave comes. For example, in the third wave many more minority groups are now included in feminism. There are specific groups within the larger group that calls themselves "feminists". Also, each time a new wave comes along, the feminists change their tactics and methods to fit the society at the time. An example of this would be the punk rock groups and pop groups that were able to convey messages to women through their music either because of the content or because they had catchy songs. Feminists also started publishing their own newspapers or magazines. It just occurred to me in this reading that with each new wave of feminism comes all of these new methods of getting messages across to the public. It makes me think about what methods are being used today to convey messages about gender equality, women's rights, LGBT rights, etc. I can think of a few things off the top of my head like podcasts or radio shows. Also with facebook and twitter it has made things much easier to let people know what your thoughts and opinions are in a matter of seconds. So I am curious, if these are the types of methods that feminists and other activists today are using, then what are their tactics? Or what messages are they trying to convey to everyone?
Sorry if that schpeeel didn't make any sense! I'm pooped and am going to bed. Nighty Night
The reading in Dicker presented us the "stylish" way of activism of third wavers. Overall, the text was loaded with comparisons between the second wave and third wave movement. It was fascinating to see girls and young women challenge the traditions and orthodox ideologies of their foremothers, just as teenagers nowadays continually "challenge" their parents. Different time, different generations, different approach: "Third wave feminism if the younger brand of feminism." I think the most notable and important improvement that third wavers made was the expansion of the definition of "feminism" and its goals. Inclusion was what third wavers' foremothers had not been able to achieve. "... only by listening to and learning from those who experience oppression differently can we understand the broad range of issues that need to be addressed by feminists." Thanks to this attitude of feminists in late twentieth century, feminism is now no longer the movement of "white economically privileged heterosexual women".
The way of activism that third wavers used, though audacious, stylish and modern, resembled the image of radical feminists that were many times criticized by public (Well, the video by Bikini Kill was a good example). I don't know if this was a wise way of approach, since it somehow confirmed the negative connotations of the backlash about feminists.
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I think the teachers were very impressed by us. Anyways, on to the reading/song!
