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sarahislahf · Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 21

shall we start a topic for pullman-postings?

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Hey_look_its_EVAN · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 20

yes we shall

sarahislahf · Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 21

wellll

i was a bit curious about what demographic of the immigrant workers was like, and how that shaped what was going on at the time.

zatkinsweltman · Joined: 09 May 2010 Posts: 27

these ideas in this packet really reelate to the railroad ideas and are really about the industrial revolution. Unfortunately it seemed people had trouble keeping things going strong so they had to lay off people and decrease wages. Too bad they had to use Violence. I wonder, Based on the question in the packet, If they really could have done this in a more civilized manner without any blood shed?

BChangy · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 33

Based on the reading about the two main concepts of productive industrialist I am curious about "social Darwinisim" and "laissez-faire".

Social Darwinism is "economy, like the natural world, was a system in which only the strong could survive"

Laissez-faire ment "the economy should be allowed to develop 'naturally' without interferance from the government"

The two suggest gaining all the percks of their industry withought the set backs that could prevent them from making a large sum of money. The fact that they wanted to exclude the government from their process shows their greed to deny the rest if their country...isint there some kind o law against laissez-faire? Do businessmen/women still go by these concepts today?

mswartz · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 43

In response to Sara's question, on page 68 it says that, " More than three out of four factory workers were first-or-second generation immigrants." I think this affected things because when people went on strike from the union, they could always hire the immigrants to replace them. They probably wouldn't demand as much pay.

BChangy · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 33

Yeah Zack I love that you pointed out the fact that people had trouble keeping things goin strong...we talked about that it my class. We said that because there was again tHis delicate balance of trying to keep the south unnder northern power and help the nation stay as a whole everyone was trying new things to make sure that people were content. They would continuously try new things until the point where they realized it wasn't working. WorsT trial and error ever

BChangy · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 33

Sorry one more thing I don't mean to hog the forum but the text is shouting at me
[quotes] a system of slavery as absolute if not as degrading as which lately prevailed in he south...maufacturing capitalists threatened to become the masters, and it is the white laborers who are to be slaves". [/quote]
I hope imnot the only one who is struck bythis quote fro. The New York Times.

Jessica.Santos · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 21

i agree with zach on the fact that a lot of the information that i pulled out of the packet had to relate with railroads. I think that was the biggest industry that profited and lost. Due to the progress that it made for or our country, but also the hundreds of thousands of people who died, got hurt, or were treated poorly.

Jessica.Santos · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 21

OH i totally missed briana's point. those few sentences were the ones i remember most, such an interesting concept. i am unsure how to think of it.

YUJIA · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 14

I think this material connects to the events before the Civil War on the aspect that the labor force changed from Black slaves to white "slaves". Both were treated badly and earned little. What seems to be new is that the Pullman Strike is nation wide and the government is against the workers. The political and economic influence that they were seeking for cost a lot of deaths and injuries as well.

dokim · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 23

I wonder how much did George Pullman earned through from his town which he constructed.

Also, when labors protested how they performed it in peaceful and violence way?

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Jaehyouk · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 22

What could be the best (peaceful) ending for the Pullman strike?
I thought talking about this point would be interesting.....
share some of idea!

shawks · Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 12

I like what has been said so far. I think peaceful unity is the best way to go. It sounded like the best idea to threaten to quit jobs and work for a different company, maybe not during the depresions, though. I don't know.

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