AHHHHH yeah, already read this by accident mofos!!!!!!
This is one of my favorite parts of the book, because it covers my favorite slogan evs. I mean you all probably know it, but I will write it one more time, "The personal is political", I think that Hanisch explains this really well saying, "There are no personal solutions at this time. There is only collective action for a collective solution."(82) This chapter does a great job explaining the personal is political, so I feel like I understand to the fulllest, before I just liked the idea because I think that it is one of the most powerful things that you can say about a person and a movement, to have the willpower to take every personal action and realize that it reflects the society as whole and from there decide whether it was appropriate or not takes a lot of work. Sometimes I hear a sexist or racist joke, or one of my freinds uses the word "gay" or calls someone a "fag" I just let it go, not taking the time to think about how this reflects society as a whole and how it only bars efforts for change. My friends basement without realization that it has ramifications on the outside world as a whole, calling it the outside world is really stupid, but whatevs I think the point is still made.
How do women relay the same message today? when/ is it ever ok to let things slide?
Here's one of my found poems, sorry i forgot to post it over the weekend
Here is all they need,
Husband, children, home,
Don't dream outside of the pretty picture,
There is no greater destiny than new washing machines
Applaud her sewn slipcover material
Loudly over that voice of desperation
Because there's nothing wrong,
No need for something more.
Reading about the movements that were going on in the second wave of feminism made me see a lot of connections between these movements and the suffrage movement of the 20's. I noticed that a lot of what the activists of the second wave were fighting against had been part of the tactics that the activists from the first wave had used. For example, women of the second wave were trying to break free from the suburban housewife lifestyle, when the women of the first wave had used some of those stereotypes to their advantage, using their roles as mothers to gain support in their fight for the vote.
Another example is that in the first wave, the movement was segregated, and now in the second wave they were finally trying to come together. It seemed to me, at least, that a part of the second movement was taking down some of the boundaries that the first wave had built higher; for example, women's stereotypes, racism, and the segregation of the activists. I'm not saying that the first wave wasn't successful, or what they accomplished wasn't amazing, but although the first wave activists did give the next generations the right to vote, they also left some other problems in their wake. This also has to do with what Liza and Anna were debating about; was it worth it to employ those stereotypes in order to get the vote? Especially now that the next wave of activists are the ones that have to try and get rid of them now?
I totally agree with mr. mammalton, this chapter really defines the “personal is political.” In the second wave of the Women’s Movement, women stressed that their personal issues were political, and that they wouldn’t have personal change until they reached a common solution to these problems. I think a huuuuge moment that highlightsthis was when women started talking about their experiences with abortion. It amazed me that talking about such personal things in the late 1960s was a huge step in women’s issues, because before that people hadn’t talked about such personal things, but in present times people talk about their personal problems non stop, and even sometimes broadcast them to the entire world though the media etc.
Something that annoyed me when reading this chapter was that women STILL ignored the fact that feminism extends across all races and classes. The feminists of the second wave still excluded working class women and black/immigrant women. It annoys me that they hadn’t learned from before and decided to integrate all women. This would have been so much more powerful. Dicker even stresses this fact, and when the Women’s Movement didn’t reach out to prominent black women such as Kathleen Cleaver, Dicker says that “…women’s liberation lost a valuable opportunity for interracial dialogue.”
Something I think is really interesting is the fact that people fighting for women’s liberation did not want one leader who was kind of the spokesperson for all women. I was wondering what you guys think of this, and if you think it was a good thing that they didn’t have one/a couple main leaders, or that they would have benefited from having one voice to lead them all.
Yo what’s up homies, so I totally agree with what everybody is saying. I think Zach talked about how when he’s around his friends when something offensive is said, instead of retaliating or bringing attention to it, it’s let go, which isn’t his fault or anyone’s because our society barely holds others accountable for the same type of discrimination. With all the hate in today’s politics where politicians are using words like fag negatively our views will be construed. Obviously we have made great strides but in some parts of our country it’s acceptable. Because it’s accepted/ let go in politics and the public, it’s usually accepted in private.
And I’ve noticed a lot of different themes appearing throughout the book. Like the ‘discussion’ Liza and I were having, and the use of slogans, and the ‘owning’ stereotypes. We’re witnessing how history repeats itself. But also what we take from our history. In class today we worked on letters form a 1st wave to a 2nd wave and vise versa, but what we were asked to do is give advice. The 2nd wavers probably didn’t receive letters from their 1st wave sisters but they probably say what worked and what didn’t work during the first wave and learned from that.
I’ve noticed that in the second half of chapter 3, they were mentioning how white women were trying to include everyone even people, more specifically, women of color, but they were reluctant because they were afraid of how the colored women would blame them or they felt as if they were in different situations and it made them miss out on a few things. Also this chapter was related to the first wave in some way, shape or form because women were trying to take away the assumption or stereotype of male dominance and were dealing with real issues women faced such as abortion and sexual violence and were trying hear what women had to say and their opinions instead of asking the “experts.” Also, I liked when it talked about the Miss American Pageant because I think these are so stupid because it only depends on how pretty you are. They were trying to get rid of the fact that women were treated like sex objects and weren’t valued on any level.
I wanted to talk about what Zach and Anna were saying about letting an offensive comment go, and not doing anything to stop it. I think it's very different for women. If someone calls a man a bad word, or says something sexist against him, it's sort of weak because men still have a ton of power- where as if someone says something bad/offensive about a woman she has two options. She can 1. let it go, laugh it off and pretend like it's no big deal, or 2. take a stand and point it out as something intolerable. I think that most women are too afaid that if they do this that men won't like them/people will think they are 'bitches' or that they're over reacting. What would you do, if faced with the same situation?
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