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Kai



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No stories...how sad.
Like other people have mentioned, I thought it was really interesting that people just refused to believe the Native Americans had built all these advanced things. It seems like even today these facts are kind of pushed aside. Most people (hopefully) know that they weren't just camping out under fallen trees, but I can't think of another time when I've learned actual details about all of this. Kind of goes back to how people try and preserve the idea that all the Native Americans were nice, simple, nature loving people. Sure, they built some pretty advanced things, but did you hear about their cute little myths with talking animals?? Rolling Eyes It was nice to finally learn about all of this in more detail.
I love Celina's breakdown of civilization, and what it means to be civilized. I totally agree with everything she included, and want to add art to that list. Artwork, jewelry, music, dancing, and probably more things I'm too tired to think about right now are all a huge part of what makes a group of people more unique and complicated, so by Celina's definition, more civilized.
It seems like pretty much all these aspects of their life, history, and community were totally ignored by the Europeans. I think because they didn't have the same technology and weren't industrialized in the same way that the Europeans were, the Europeans immediately decided they were uncivilized. My question is if somehow all the people living in America before Columbus showed up had all the same shit as the Europeans (guns, big boats, flags, white hair, pretentious facial expressions...), but were also totally one dimensional and had no form of social organization, religious beliefs, or anything else...would the Europeans have considered them to be civilized?
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cbrandweinfryar



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi everyone,
So Page put so much information into this chapter. Going alllll the way back to Zachmamilton, I also am realizing how ignorant I’ve also been, thinking that almost all Native Americans just lived in, around, and with nature. Romanticizing them since I was a little kid. I never though about their political systems, or ceremonial rituals, other than dancing around a fire or telling stories. Speaking of stories, I really missed the usual myth that Page snuck into his explaining and talking. But I guess it made sense, since there probably wasn’t a story that could tie into what Page focused on in this chapter

On pg. 70 Page went on to talk about how these communities would come together during times of need. Like during a food crisis, households would be “knit together in larger cooperative efforts…” This sort of reminds me about how nowadays; the world comes together during times of dire need when other states or countries need our or their help. For example everyone is coming together to help Haiti in their time of need, and I think that sense of community felt now was definitely felt in Native American communities.

My question is:: Page talked a lot about the “elite” people, who had the most valuable artifacts in their burials, but didn’t really mention specifically who these “elite” people were. Who do you think qualified as these so-called elite people?
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