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Hey_look_its_EVAN · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 20

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Hey_look_its_EVAN · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 20

I find it.... we surprising is the wrong word, but in lack of a better on.... surprising how dirty the streets were and how bad housing conditions were. it reminds me of like victorian england ( but with pluming). i also found it interesting how one source says that " the absolute need for christianity" could improve the city dwellers lives.

Eleanore Carson · Joined: 11 May 2010 Posts: 14

the progressives were very into new ideas. (Ex: women's rights, state / national control of natural resources.)

the government should think both about breaking up large businesses and then creating a competitive drive in these as well as older smaller businesses. this makes the economies power disperse.

the democratic point of view is that "competition can and should be maintained in every branch of private industry". so basically the companies should basically rule the economic settings with their competition in prices and such...
where the progressives think that the courts should be in charge of everything and that everything should be left up to a higher power.
i agree with pieces of both of these.

Maddy.King · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 23

What i took from the reading about government reform, was that the only businesses that were really surviving were the businesses that controlled the "popular" items of that time.
In reading 3 for my section, it states that, "railroads, telegraphs, shipping, cable, telephone, traction, express, mining, iron, steel, coal, oil, gas, electric light, cotton, copper, sugar, tobacco, agricultural implements and the food products mainly controlled". All the new technology that was developed and being developed was making all the money, and not leaving any room for smaller businesses.
Reading 5, has a suggestion from Theodore Roosevelt, "...to regulate big corporations in a thoroughgoing and effective fashion, so as to help legitimate business..." People wanted to regulate the bigger businesses to give everyone else a chance. As said in reading 6 for my topic, "the eventual creation of monopolies by survivors." People wanted to tear all the large companies down and create some good 'ol competition, and which ever companies were left standing after that, they could continue control smaller businesses incomes.

Jaehyouk · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 22

The progressive era was like an economy revolution for Americans. Before the era America was in a horriable depression, but they kind of took that as a chance for "come back". Since they experianced depression they didn't want to go through that process again, so every people work harder than before and eventually their economy revived from death (Also, some of issues like woman's suffrage and politic changes, etc..)

lstrickman · Joined: 06 May 2010 Posts: 20

i took a few things from my immigration readings..
The first and most clear one is that people seemed to be using the new population of immigrants as a scapegoat for the problems in the US. Immigrants were described in the readings as "the chief receptacles of drunkenness, debauchery, villainy, and disease". A lot of people linked immigrants to the new problems the US was facing after the civil war, and others wanted to solve the issues within the US before bringing in a new population. For these reasons, and others, a lot of people were against immigration.
People wanted to stop/slow down immigration, and it didn't seem as though they understood or accepted the nations need for immigration.It probably made people uncomfortable that these immigrants were, in a way, supporting the country.
On the other hand, immigrants were offered great opportunities by moving to the US. There was plenty of work at that time, and the US was probably more progressive than other countries.

Jessica.Santos · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 21

I read some pieces on urbanization. The main problem was sanitation. It was utterly disgusting how it was described, and they put it in "nice" terms. But there was a part where it mentioned the morals of the people. Lower class children, being out of line, and men/women who keep their carts on the st have nasty intentions. So i thought; Did urbanization lead to unsanitary lives and minds? And I thought the answer to that question was yes because it explained how cleanliness is catchy and when things became cleaner it caught on quick, and the area, and people within the area changed rapidly. Im interested to see what the other topics will bring to the seminar. Will they have such a negative effect that urbanization seemed to have?

zatkinsweltman · Joined: 09 May 2010 Posts: 27

The progressives didn't want people to become corrupt or have too much power. They wanted things to be fair. They felt that descrimination should not be based on sex, so women started to get equal rights during this time. They believe that if they return to past ways evils will meet them.

The Progessive party wanted things to change so people are fair on a hierarch and nobody has more power over the other. They wanted fair work weaks without overdoing it. The democrats wanted to maintain competition but believe that capatalists shouldn't have power, that the power over monopolies should go to the people.

Competition needs to be some aspect of this otherwise the economy would fall, but big businesses shouldn't dominate over everything. So the big businesses should be torn down a bit to give more competition and as maddy said, Give the smaller places a chance. It seems to me that the progressives wanted equality among everyone, inclusiding in lobor and bussiness.

edalven · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 37

I had the readings on Immigration

The issue of immigration sharply divided the political climate of the Progressive Era. Grover Cleveland's administration was Pro-Immigration, but Theodore Roosevelt was in favor or reforms like a Literacy test, which eventually passed in 1917. Growing global awareness and problems in other parts of the world led to a massive influx of immigrants from 1870 onward. Some immigrants found America to be just what they needed, a country of freedom and opportunity. Other, however were stuck of cycles of poverty, and were faced terrible living conditions in crowded slums. There was growing resentment between locals and the new immigrants on the basis of ethnicity, race, and religion. Ultimately, immigrants were a blessing and a curse; they fueled America's economy and brought new cultures over from their homelands, but they also brought poverty and competition to American workers. For them, America was also a blessing and a curse. It provided many new opportunities for them, but also included prejudice and the difficulties of culture.

mswartz · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 43

There were many social evils that people associated with the mass immigration. Many people believed disorder and violence to be a result of immigration. In addition, many people blamed immigrants for the problems the US was having post civil war.
The goal of American immigration had very little do with respecting other religions and races, and more to do with the need for labor. It became a major problem within the US society having different races/ ethnic groups in the US. While different groups co-exsisted they did not always get along which caused further tension.
There were many arguments that using a literacy test as a way of limiting the number of immigrants into the US, is not only bad but illogical. The most consistent immigration policy should be where one does not need a literacy test to determine if they can/can not come into the US. There was a lot of labor that needed to be done and many opportunities/jobs to fill. For many, their home country did not have these opportunities. So immigrants could benefit (financially) from these jobs.

BChangy · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 33

In Response to what Jessica said about the cleanliness I found that a lttle shocking yet comfortable with all in the same moment. As a New Yorker I saw that many of the discriptions of New York I this time period according to the text are still true today, in both "Cleaning up New York City" and "The Rise of the City". Today there are still streets buildings where there is a side entrence do to the business of a store downstairs (not particularly a liquor store) and rooms still come in 12 x10 feet. In fact rooms like those are staring to become common once again due to the limited space there.

But in all I think the discriptions are a bit dramatized. Having streets so dirty that it was know as "Lung Block because of the prevalance of tuberculosis" seems like a bit of a strech if you ask me

...did anyone from urbanization noticed that Jane Addams was quoted Smile

I was so proud to know who she was.

dokim · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 23

Most of the people who lived in US disagreed people come to their nation. They want to limit the immigrations in order to prevent the chaos because if too much people immigrate into the US then there will be confliction between US citizen and foreigner. Also, the president Theodore Roosevelt said that they need a permit amount of immigrations. The people want the immigrants who couldn't write or read it.
Totally the US citizens ignored the immigrants and do not want let them come to USA

malexander · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 20

Many people associated "drunkenness, debauchery, villainy, and disease" with immigrants, and blamed them for many of the problems occurring as a result of the depression. They were also accused of being "paupers, felons, and convicts."
The goal of American immigration was to meet the needs of the growing industries, and the demand for a large workforce. So in both ways, the goal is both a melting pot and a cultural pluralism, in that so many people were coming into the states for work and merging into the slums and society, but they were also establishing themselves among the culture of America. They continued to try and make a home for themselves within America. These may have not been goals exactly.
I'm not sure which sort of immigration policy would've made the most sense for this time period, and I am unaware of the policies already in use before the proposal of the illiteracy test. I don't believe that this was the best method though, and was glad to see that many presidents felt the same even after Cleveland. And even though many of the living conditions and work wages were harsh, and America seemed to dislike immigration, I feel that this was a necessary time for it, and it could not have happened earlier or later in time.

Annie C · Joined: 07 May 2010 Posts: 20

I had the reading on URBANIZATION.
I strongly agree Jessica that the main problem of urbanization was unsanitation on both society and minds. In reading 1"... the first store which, when used for the sale of liquor, has a side opening for the benifit of the inmates and to evade the Sunday law..." can see that the society had been out of order and in the readings, people even beleived that social reform need Christianity (instead of government) " to prevent or cure the fearful moral diseases of lower classes."
YA, I SAW THAT JANE ADDAMS'S QUOTE Laughing

Kandice · Joined: 12 May 2010 Posts: 14

I had the reading on Government Reform.

Based on these readings, it is safe to say that the American public wanted a chance to be part of the larger corporations by regulating them. They also felt the need to replace monopolies with laws to regulate these companies as well. Although, some politicians may have supported corporations owning most of the country, the American public didn't.

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